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NPR: Realities of Immigration Legislationfsdwex4m7z8f193wbl05yeyfen1i0rk0
State Sen. Scott Beason, R-Gardendale (center) talks with tomato farmers about the new Alabama immigration law on Chandler Mountain in Steele, Ala. Beason, who helped draft the measure, said he was sticking by the law although he would try to find relief for farmers who rely on migrant workers to harvest their crops.7mlqznlvstwzrnsy0ua5hsahsd2amzct
October 8, 201174fxf6cvoksqfwin0dg3nrvsfzvvoxg7
Whatever you think about the immigration policy in the United States, there is clearly the law and then there is reality.6jdawqtjfieqv7ce3a6ohghoowe8lch3
The immigration issue is often debated in terms of justice, rights and the protection of our borders, but there’s a business story to be told as well. The question is: Can the U.S. economy really function without undocumented workers?1nxwgydmtyo2n83wbvl2ssjla5yyzpcc
Gordon Hanson, an economist specializing in the impacts of immigration, studies the reality side of things at University of California-San Diego. He says that for decades there has been an unwritten social contract that says the U.S. isn’t going to make it easy for immigrants to get in; there will be physical barriers and it will cost time, money and personal risk.eihk09jsltqadegtw5fgh1igj58ejj0s
“What that did in effect was to select out people who weren’t serious, to select out people for whom the opportunity of being in the United States didn’t matter that much,” Hanson tells weekends on All Things Considered guest host Robert Smith.y3vocti78r9jsxd2ogwnc6ya16lks4q5
This policy was good for businesses and the workers who made it across the border. It created an ideal workforce of individuals focused on working, as long they were able to produce identification, valid or not, Hanson says.sc2o90xpf60cxo5czllnwupvs9to7rgu
Jeremy Gonzalez picks tomatoes on a farm in Steele, Ala. Much of the crop is rotting as many of the migrant workers who normally work these fields have moved to other states to find work.wvxzom7mggqtzddze3e8l0nayeh9v4q4
There were flaws, but from a business point of view, this system was stable and predictable, Hanson says. Businesses could plan based on the reality of immigration enforcement. But tougher new laws in Alabama and Arizona changed all of that, amounting to what Hanson says is chaos.3o1741w1mi5d4qxwby53g3gb1awml260
“[It’s] piecemeal reform undertaken at the state level with different states doing different things, making it harder for employers to hire illegal immigrants,” Hanson says. “Employers just don’t know what to think about what’s going to come down the pike next.”gbbv3sz46zm0770wmajqyg3uddcu07ug
That’s what’s happening on Jamie Boatwright’s farm on Chandler Mountain in Alabama. His large variety of tomatoes are ripe and ready to pick, but there’s a problem — no pickers. Most of Boatwright’s usual workers left Alabama after the new immigration law went into effect in the state.mgukbib5owbf4hep63376quhjl7u6k0s
The law allows police to detain anyone they suspect of being an undocumented immigrant. Kids can’t go to school without proving they are U.S. citizens. Many of the field workers in Alabama have fled to Florida, where there are fields with better work and no hassles. Boatwright says he never knows how many pickers will show up.kxdekzd60eyog87w8n16ec5mg34519vj
“It varies from day to day. Sometimes we have six, sometimes we have seven, sometimes eight,” he says. “It just depends [on] their level of anxiety toward being able to come to work that day.”7ywdmp3w137pmaez631o02zaidpfknyh
Why The Change 8l0spakh00adojocw2z7j9wehn5m4j33
Republicans say the government should stop interfering in business and making life unpredictable for businesses. And yet, Republicans passed this law in Alabama and that’s exactly what it does.rx9q4rmctic2486m9n0cytykgwrv4j2s
Alabama state Sen. Scott Beason, who sponsored the bill, says the status quo needed to change because businesses were being forced to hire undocumented workers if a competitor did so in order to keep their own business afloat.dcd08p13sf5hddbxv81z132gii4lr6r1
“As they undercut the prices for their subcontractors, you begin to see people no longer in the drywall business, [it’s] more difficult to be in the painting business, bricklaying or that sort of thing,” Beason says, using the example of a construction company. “So over the years you end up with a big problem growing where more and more people hire more and more illegals.”g75dynwmqms43ys1dsis60dx2q0o6hbz
Beason is now hearing complaints from local businesses that say it is difficult for them to hire workers and keep their businesses running, but he says that fixing any problem takes a period of adjustment.bo2szxl8tyfddry1bpfrtj2et15lrrio
“It is not going to be smooth and easy for every single person,” he says, “especially if you’ve been out there basing your business, basing your livelihood, on breaking the law and hiring an illegal workforce.”0fahn5ca9psw3lnmyrpb8ucate2i5pjz
Beason says the state did its job to warn businesses that the new law was coming and it is unfortunate that many businesses did not change the way they did business to get over the last few weeks of harvest. He also says, despite what some people believe, he thinks Americans are willing to do these jobs.zc4ov127q86zjbvmeacib9y9mlaged9j
“There may have to be some differences in pay scale … but Alabamians and Americans will do those jobs,” he says.ktidd75jkco4z4lgiar7s1i5d8txytn0
The Wage Theory7868s7ndjjpnna3k56n66y0dd86adumb
Some economists theorize that without all those undocumented immigrants, the supply of labor will dry up and businesses will have to pay more to attract new, legal workers. Tomatoes end up costing more, but Alabama’s 10 percent employment rate goes down.d1hwf4ix3l01ivp732uhirova0c581wc
But the theory isn’t working so far at Boatwright’s farm.m457fsgbs9j3l4w9at9i9xn2ek487dci
“Since this law went in to effect, I’ve had a total 11 people that were Americans come and ask for work,” Boatwright says. “A total of one of those actually came back the next day.”5z7bt7xkutiqbjdwv54pxj2gkzytq844
That one worker picked about four boxes of tomatoes before leaving the field and quitting, Boatwright says. He says picking crops in the fields is a specialized skill that Americans just aren’t accustomed to doing.9w19dejdnumeobrcz0qqujx6yqsj8dso
If Boatwright were to raise his wages in order to attract workers, he’d have to also raise the prices of his tomatoes. A price hike would not allow him to compete with the lower prices of tomatoes from neighboring states without tough immigration laws.cbo5aptphy9duykoech2qvod9f11jh61
Boatwright’s wife, Lana, says she fears how this will end.ogo86jtxllv8hf1gt9fwk88i3qn6563x
“This problem is not going to go away for the state of Alabama,” she says. “The farmers may go away from the state of Alabama, some of the industry may go away from the state of Alabama, but there’s not a Band-Aid you can put on this to fix it quickly.”aensu18637990r007kg9wilkahhkc4j1
There is hope, however, but it requires an economic recovery.o525kkn6d2nqoqrl07vbn1zrtmohd1vl
“What we’ve seen after every U.S. recession … is once the demand for labor really starts to pick up, what happens is those same politicians who were preaching a tough line on immigration suddenly get softer,” says Hanson from University of California.iyu5x8gi9xdesolysfe8ahzqr3u44cfg
Hanson says these new laws are so tough, though, it may be difficult to go back — if the law stays in effect. The U.S. Justice Department has asked an appeals court to look at the constitutionality of Alabama’s law.yr41rpg0ha5oa1y9q1ywdjc6paxhq09v
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NPR: Realities of Immigration Legislation
State Sen. Scott Beason, R-Gardendale (center) talks with tomato farmers about the new Alabama immigration law on Chandler Mountain in Steele, Ala. Beason, who helped draft the measure, said he was sticking by the law although he would try to find relief for farmers who rely on migrant workers to harvest their crops.
October 8, 2011
Whatever you think about the immigration policy in the United States, there is clearly the law and then there is reality.
The immigration issue is often debated in terms of justice, rights and the protection of our borders, but there’s a business story to be told as well. The question is: Can the U.S. economy really function without undocumented workers?
Gordon Hanson, an economist specializing in the impacts of immigration, studies the reality side of things at University of California-San Diego. He says that for decades there has been an unwritten social contract that says the U.S. isn’t going to make it easy for immigrants to get in; there will be physical barriers and it will cost time, money and personal risk.
“What that did in effect was to select out people who weren’t serious, to select out people for whom the opportunity of being in the United States didn’t matter that much,” Hanson tells weekends on All Things Considered guest host Robert Smith.
This policy was good for businesses and the workers who made it across the border. It created an ideal workforce of individuals focused on working, as long they were able to produce identification, valid or not, Hanson says.
Jeremy Gonzalez picks tomatoes on a farm in Steele, Ala. Much of the crop is rotting as many of the migrant workers who normally work these fields have moved to other states to find work.
There were flaws, but from a business point of view, this system was stable and predictable, Hanson says. Businesses could plan based on the reality of immigration enforcement. But tougher new laws in Alabama and Arizona changed all of that, amounting to what Hanson says is chaos.
“[It’s] piecemeal reform undertaken at the state level with different states doing different things, making it harder for employers to hire illegal immigrants,” Hanson says. “Employers just don’t know what to think about what’s going to come down the pike next.”
That’s what’s happening on Jamie Boatwright’s farm on Chandler Mountain in Alabama. His large variety of tomatoes are ripe and ready to pick, but there’s a problem — no pickers. Most of Boatwright’s usual workers left Alabama after the new immigration law went into effect in the state.
The law allows police to detain anyone they suspect of being an undocumented immigrant. Kids can’t go to school without proving they are U.S. citizens. Many of the field workers in Alabama have fled to Florida, where there are fields with better work and no hassles. Boatwright says he never knows how many pickers will show up.
“It varies from day to day. Sometimes we have six, sometimes we have seven, sometimes eight,” he says. “It just depends [on] their level of anxiety toward being able to come to work that day.”
Why The Change
Republicans say the government should stop interfering in business and making life unpredictable for businesses. And yet, Republicans passed this law in Alabama and that’s exactly what it does.
Alabama state Sen. Scott Beason, who sponsored the bill, says the status quo needed to change because businesses were being forced to hire undocumented workers if a competitor did so in order to keep their own business afloat.
“As they undercut the prices for their subcontractors, you begin to see people no longer in the drywall business, [it’s] more difficult to be in the painting business, bricklaying or that sort of thing,” Beason says, using the example of a construction company. “So over the years you end up with a big problem growing where more and more people hire more and more illegals.”
Beason is now hearing complaints from local businesses that say it is difficult for them to hire workers and keep their businesses running, but he says that fixing any problem takes a period of adjustment.
“It is not going to be smooth and easy for every single person,” he says, “especially if you’ve been out there basing your business, basing your livelihood, on breaking the law and hiring an illegal workforce.”
Beason says the state did its job to warn businesses that the new law was coming and it is unfortunate that many businesses did not change the way they did business to get over the last few weeks of harvest. He also says, despite what some people believe, he thinks Americans are willing to do these jobs.
“There may have to be some differences in pay scale … but Alabamians and Americans will do those jobs,” he says.
The Wage Theory
Some economists theorize that without all those undocumented immigrants, the supply of labor will dry up and businesses will have to pay more to attract new, legal workers. Tomatoes end up costing more, but Alabama’s 10 percent employment rate goes down.
But the theory isn’t working so far at Boatwright’s farm.
“Since this law went in to effect, I’ve had a total 11 people that were Americans come and ask for work,” Boatwright says. “A total of one of those actually came back the next day.”
That one worker picked about four boxes of tomatoes before leaving the field and quitting, Boatwright says. He says picking crops in the fields is a specialized skill that Americans just aren’t accustomed to doing.
If Boatwright were to raise his wages in order to attract workers, he’d have to also raise the prices of his tomatoes. A price hike would not allow him to compete with the lower prices of tomatoes from neighboring states without tough immigration laws.
Boatwright’s wife, Lana, says she fears how this will end.
“This problem is not going to go away for the state of Alabama,” she says. “The farmers may go away from the state of Alabama, some of the industry may go away from the state of Alabama, but there’s not a Band-Aid you can put on this to fix it quickly.”
There is hope, however, but it requires an economic recovery.
“What we’ve seen after every U.S. recession … is once the demand for labor really starts to pick up, what happens is those same politicians who were preaching a tough line on immigration suddenly get softer,” says Hanson from University of California.
Hanson says these new laws are so tough, though, it may be difficult to go back — if the law stays in effect. The U.S. Justice Department has asked an appeals court to look at the constitutionality of Alabama’s law.
